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The California Ruling

I consider myself to be a hard right conservative, but I do have a libertarian streak.  What I am not, is a lawyer nor do I have any training in the law.  That said, I don't know what the the outcome will be concerning the Proposition 8 law suit.  I think anything said at this point by most is somewhat premature.  This won't be settled until the Supreme Court has their say and even then it may not be settled.  They could send it back to down the line.

What we conservatives have to understand is that as long as marriage is a regulated by the state, the equal protection clause is out there and frankly, I don't see the SCOTUS forgetting to notice it.  We'll see how this plays out.

As I said, I have a libertarian streak.  I don't particularly care who you live with, love or if you are bedding someone different every night.  So long as it's an adult and it's consensual, it's your life - your problem.  I have friends and family (and some friends who are like family) that are homosexual.

I wrote a blog entry a couple of years ago on gay marriage.  It pretty well sums up my feelings on this issue.  Please take the time to read it before you comment.

VW

Left Wing Thuggery

A law was passed by the state legislature called the "Everything but Marriage" bill and subsequently signed by the governor that essentially gave gay couples all the benefits of marriage without the ceremony.

There is a group of people circulating a petition to have the law repealed.  In order to get on the ballot, they need to gather 120,000 signatures.

The left is against it, of course, and they are outraged.  Since Leftists don't believe in freedom (It's their way or the gulag) they are organizing to publicize the signers of this document.  From KOMO-TV News:

In a statement Monday, WhoSigned.org says it expects people who see the names online to contact the signers for what may be uncomfortable talks about gay rights. (emphasis added)

What this means is that they will publicize their list and try to extort money and/or apologies.  They did it in CA with proposition 8 supporters.  I'm certain that if some of these whack job extremists had their way, they'd open their own brand of "Gitmo" and send the signers off for more than just waterboarding session.

I've been on record saying that since the state has already hijacked marriage, it should either get out the business, or everyone gets a civil union and marriage would be left to the churches.  My wife and I have a civil union.  We were married in front of a judge.  Heretofore, I was rather ambivalent to the petition drive.  Not any more.  I will oppose thuggery wherever I can.

I tell you now, if I see a person asking me to sign one of those petitions, I will sign it.  Bring it you left wing goons!

VW

Revenge Of The Liberals

When Liberals lose an election, they think one of two things,  One, someone cheated and second, they will avenge the obvious theft of what should have been theirs.  However, if liberals cheat, it's because we cheated first and if we didn't, they still get a right to cheat to get what they want because they know what is better for us.

To Liberals, their ideas and concepts are so good and so logical, they transcend any and all debate.  If a liberal thinks something or someone is good for you, that's all you need to know.  If that something or someone is on a ballot, then your responsibility is to vote for it or that person.  Mind you, they are not pleased that you have a choice in the matter.  It should be automatic, but they don't control everything yet and they are forced to work within a system populated and sometimes run by people who are not yet as highly evolved, i.e. Conservatives.

Such is what happened in California with Proposition 8.  Obviously it passed because the Mormon Church cheated.  Lawsuits are flying and boycotts are threatened.  While the Mormon (LDS) Church didn't fund the campaign, the encouraged their members to fund it and work for its passage.  All of that is perfectly legal, but liberals don't see it that way because...well because  they lost.  Now, Mormons and the hated red state of Utah are going to pay for having the audacity to challenge what should have been theirs in the first place!

From Fox News:

SALT LAKE CITY — Utah's growing tourism industry and the star-studded Sundance Film Festival are being targeted for a boycott by bloggers, gay rights activists and others seeking to punish the Mormon church for its aggressive promotion of California's ban on gay marriage.

It could be a heavy price to pay. Tourism brings in $6 billion a year to Utah, with world-class skiing, a spectacular red rock country and the film festival founded by Robert Redford, among other popular tourist draws.

"At a fundamental level, the Utah Mormons crossed the line on this one," said gay rights activist John Aravosis, an influential blogger in Washington, D.C.

"They just took marriage away from 20,000 couples and made their children bastards," he said. "You don't do that and get away with it."

Defy us and you will PAY!!!!  The line they crossed was defying the liberal California establishment and the ensconced gay elitists

It strikes me as a little ironic that the Sundance Film Festival is the brainchild of one Robert (Sundance Kid) Redford.  Old Bobby R. is as left as they get.

There is no outcry from these people over the shady campaign financing of Obama.  There is no cry of foul over Obama and his Rezko connections.  There is, however, this huge outrage because they lost in California.  Never mind it wasn't all Utahans. Never mind that Park City and Sundance are probably as gay friendly as any place.  These hate-filled people want revenge.  They want retribution.

How far evolved is that?

VW

Only Liberals Riot II

Last month I wrote a blog post titled Only Liberals Riot.  In that post, I predicted two things.  First, if Obama lost, there would be riots.  I still believe that to be true.  However, I predicted that if he won, there would be celebrations that would turn violent.  I am more than happy to tell you that I was wrong.

But proving my point about liberals rioting is what is happening out in California.  In California, they had a proposition on the ballot to ban homosexual marriage.  Proposition 8 was how it appeared on the ballot.

Proposition 8 was passed and the traditional definition of marriage won out.  In the aftermath of the victory of proposition 8 proponents, the liberals who lost, hit the streets. 

I suppose it really wasn't an overtly violent demonstration, but it is a bunch of people unhappy with the outcome of a lawful election.  There was some vandalism and a police car was damaged a little.  For the most part it's been fairly peaceful, but me thinks it wouldn't take much to set such a group off into committing violence.

They also have inundated the courts with every kind of lawsuit to try and stop it from becoming law. 

Apparently liberals are only for democracy when it goes their way.

And once again, only liberals riot.

VW

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Gay Marriage

I've thought long and hard on this subject.  It's one fraught with a lot of emotion and it is loaded with religious overtones.

I'm a Christian.  I'm a member of a somewhat liberal Lutheran Church, but many of us in the congregation are veterans and conservative ones to boot.

I'm also straight and married.  Mrs. VW happens to be the sweetest woman God ever put on this earth and why I got so fortunate to be the one married to her is beyond my ken. 

All that said, here are my thoughts on the matter.

Marriage was long ago hijacked by the state. The ceremony might take place in some form of house of worship and the person officiating might be a cleric of some kind, but all he or she does is stand in for a judge.  You had to  buy the license (obtain state permission) and your preacher/priest/rabbi/coven leader had to register in some way with the the state or local government in order to perform the marriage.  (There may be a few places that require them to pay a small fee as well, I don't know). 

In the eyes of the state, your marriage is actually a civil union.  To the Bureaucrats, a mayor or a judge is no different than an ordained minister.

So in essence, if a homosexual couple wants to marry, I don't particularly care.  As long as it is a state licensed activity, it needs to be available to all.

Here is how I think it should be done.  If you want to marry someone, you go buy your license according to established laws.  After the waiting period (if applicable), you return to the clerk who signs it and then the clerk gives you a copy.  You are now civilly united.  If you want your marriage to have a ceremony of some sort or want it sanctified by whatever faith and they agree, then have at it. That part would be voluntary and up to you.

Regardless of the second part being voluntary, someone will try and force, by judicial fiat, a church that does not recognize gay marriage to officiate in the religious part of the ceremony.  That would be wrong.  Many churches and denominations say that homosexual acts are a sin.  That is their right under the first amendment and so it should remain.  There are some churches that don't see it that way and that is also their right.  If a minister wants to perform a religious ceremony for homosexuals and their denomination agrees, then by all means perform the ceremony.

The first amendment means what it means, even if someone doesn't like it.

VW