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Pagan Piggy Goddess Allah

If we just stand by and let it happen, then we deserve what we get. Having a big red crescent as a memorial for the Flight 93 victims is akin to having a swastika at a Holocaust memorial: But Tom Sokolowski, the director of the Andy Warhol Museum, and one of the Stage II jury members, said that claim is "asinine." I've got news for Tom Sokolawski and Paul Murdock, the Muslime terrorist world wide are going to laugh their azzes off over your PC hug a koranic terrorist bullshi1.


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Mr. Snitch!

Slightly off-topic, but relevant considering the date:

We share your concern regarding the lack of 'appropriate' 9/11 memorials. We've put our own 5 minute video memorial online. No burning buildings, no rubble, no explosions, no speeches, no screeches, no Bin Laden, no bodies. Just a remembrance of some people whose lives were cut short through no fault of their own, with poignant candid snapshots from their lives, and music.

Terry Turner

I am a Flight 93 survivor. I was on the ground at the Capitol when it would have reached the building if not brought down.

I find nothing offensive about this. It is not intended as an Islamic emblem. It is an embrace that clings to the ground.

Conservatives like Ms Malkin love to blast and oppose memorials that name the dead -- whether it was Nightline reading the names of Iraq casualties or the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.

Once it's built, and people see it, they will understand.

The Violence Worker

Sorry sir, you are not a flight 93 survivor. Pardon me, but that is one of the most fatuous statements I've seen in a while.

Your feeble attempt at victimhood is nauseating.

That's like saying I am a survivor of a fatal crash we had out on I-90 the other day. Some rocks fell on a car. I just drove that route a week prior.

How you make such an inane statement is absoulutely astounding. I'll bet you are a hoot on the DC Cocktail circuit with that one!

To me, it's like using a swastika as a Holocaust memorial. It just don't fit.

I don't care how innocent, it's innappropriate.

VW

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Terry Turner

"Sorry sir, you are not a flight 93 survivor. Pardon me, but that is one of the most fatuous statements I've seen in a while."

That is a slap in the face of the 40 people who died stopping Flight 93. There are hundreds of us who consider ourselves survivors because of the sacrifice of those 40 people.

Yes, I survived. Hundreds if not thousands of people survived on the ground because the passengers and crew of that plane didn't let it reach it's target.

There is not a time I pass by the Capitol to this day that I don't think about their loss and the fact that their actions probably saved my life.

That isn't victimization, Violence Worker -- that is thanks. The shape of the memorial has nothing to do with Islam.

What's more, the families of the people who died there overwhelmingly approved the design.

Get over it.

You want to gripe about the way they're remembered? Fire off a letter to George W Bush asking him why he gave the Medal of Freedom to George Tenent (after missing 9/11 and screwing up intel that led to the Iraq War) and not to a single member of the passengers and crew of Flight 93.

Denny Hix

Good grief, VW!

The "Flight 93 survivor" statement was pretty common usage at the memorial service a year after 9/11. There were lots of people from D.C. who showed up and agreed with that comment.

Show the passengers and crew a little respect. That's an honor that someone sees them as having saved his life!

Randy Case

Yeah, Violence Worker. Check out what Tom Ridge said about that sort of thing at the memorial service a year later:

"The result was summed up by one of the messages left on the temporary memorial, very simple message: 'Thank you for saving my life.'"

The Violence Worker

Their act of heroism is not diminished byme telling you people it is stupid for you to call yourselves a survivor. I stand by my words.

You can make the case that we are all survivors of something.

You people are not heroes.

I still say it is fatuous and inane to describe yourself as a flight 93 survivor. just because Ridge said something silly doesn't mean I gotta agree with it.

If you said it to my face, I'd laugh my ass off.


VW

Terry Turner

I never said I was a hero. I've said it was my way of honoring the heroes of Flight 93.

I'm thankful they gave their lives to save mine and the lives of hundreds of other people. It wasn't something "silly" that Tom Ridge said. It was a thank you note from someone else there at the Capitol on 9/11 who's life was saved by the people on Flight 93.

I would think you would see the passengers and crew of Flight 93 as heroes -- not people who died in vain.

Laugh at me, and you belittle them -- not me.

Whatever you say, I'll always be thankful for what they did, for me, for the hundreds of others in the Capitol that day, and for this country.

Violence Worker

What is a slap in the face, Mr. Turner, is the Crescent shaped memorial. Yes they were heroes, I've never said any different. I take exception at you saying "flight 93 survivor". There were no survivors. You are a fortunate individual who may or may not be alive or injured because they died stopping the madmen.

However, I suppose in the end, you can say whatever you want. If it means that much to you, fine. If that makes their sacrifice more real to you, then by all means. I'll concede the point.

However, I will not concede on the crescent shape. To me, it's like putting a swastika shaped memorial at Dachau. I think it is the highest form of insult directed toward people whom you and I agree represent the best of humanity.

VW

Terry Turner

Apology accepted.

Terry Turner

I accept your apology anyway. You finally seemed to show respect to the people on the plane. That's what's important.

You still seem to believe their sacrifice didn't save any lives.

I disagree. So do hundreds of other people at the White House and US Capitol that day.

God Bless the passengers and crew of Flight 93 for sacrificing their lives to save others. I appreciate that. I hope you'll come to do the same someday.

Violence Worker

The above comment folks, is liberal reasoning and spinning.

I did not apologize because I had nothing to apologize for. I never ever disrespected the heroes of flight 93. I never said that there sacrifice didn't save lives, I just said we didn't no for sure whose lives. I never said the the people of Flight 93 were anything less thatn heroic. He can't point to a single statement remotely implying different. Spin.

The only thing I did was question Mr. Turner calling himself a flight 93 survivor. There were no survivors. He was ALMOST a victim of some nasty Islamo-fascist pig who tried to use the airplane and people on board as a weapon to take out the capitol had the heroes of flight 93 not stopped the bastard pig terorists. We'll never know. However, I ceded the fact that he can call himself a flight 93 survivor if he wanted to - as absurd as that sounds.

It really doesn't matter to me what he called himself.

It feels like arrogance to me.

VW

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